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Given 2010-01-04
The suggester says: ''I love it for obvious reason: a true message in a very appealing package'' RANT by *xyphid ( Suggested by pica-ae and Featured by Sander-Seto )
Alon98 Featured By Owner Edited Jul 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
He's not obligated to take certain jobs.
If he can get by with what he's paid, that's good for him.
The person who wants their thing designed probably isn't gonna give up on it just because one artist doesn't want to, and thus the job goes to someone else. Art isn't just a labor, it's a passion. And art might not be his only job.
I agree with you that the 99% doesn't deserve what they have and needs to share, but that doesn't mean this guy is part of the problem, or even relevant to the problem. Stop trying to push your political agenda in places where it doesn't belong. This is a guy's right, and his subjective opinion, and hardly related to corporations owning most of the wealth. This is an artist working alone, not some CEO exploiting the system.

Please, just stop. You're making Liberals like me look bad.
Commander-Bentley Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I wasn't trying to push a political agenda? I was simply disagreeing with the message in the image. I appreciate the effort to make debate, but I think you misinterpreted what I said. If he can pick and choose his jobs, that's fine. He is belly-aching about a problem that he ought not have, then, and if he can barely live on what he makes, he should start taking more jobs or not being picky. The picture either seems like:

A.) The artist is complaining about having to do a job as he's asked and not being able to do what he wants, or...
B.) He is complaining about too many people who try to commission his work aren't the kind of clients he prefers to do business with.

His options for either of these are:

A.) Stop complaining, buckle down and do the work that he needs to do so he can get his money and eventually get better commissions, or...
B.) Quit taking business from clients he prefers not to work with.

So he is either complaining about a problem that EVERYBODY has, or he's sort of "First World Artist" complaining, meaning that he's well-known enough that he can live off his art, yet he can't see that such a condition is a dream come true for most artists and finds something to gripe about even in happiness and luxury. Work is work. If he can't realize that he won't be able to just do whatever he wants all the time, then he ought to just go live on an island somewhere. Because everywhere you work you're going to have to do what others say. Commissioned artwork is no different. The only difference is that with commissions, your bosses change more frequently.
Alon98 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So, you're telling him he can't vent and let other artists that feel the same relate to him?
He probably doesn't take those jobs, and the people trying to hire him probably pitch a fit over it, hence this picture.
I've been there.

I still have NO IDEA what this has to do with the Occupy movement. Still seems pretty irrelevant.
Commander-Bentley Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
It has to do with workers who feel slighted and kept down by means of work. It's highly relevant in all things. Everything is connected in a deep way. Yes he is allowed to rant, but gods be damned if this isn't whiny milk-drinker stuff. Part of being a professional is NOT letting it all hang out on a professional stage. I envy him if he can belly-ache about his customers in front of his customers.
Alon98 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Whatever, dude. You didn't prove the link, just talked about some vague pseudo-philosophical "EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED" bullshit.

Excuses, excuses. Why don't you stop making the Occupy movement look bad?

Alon is tired now. Go bother somebody else.
Commander-Bentley Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
There is no such thing as pseudo-philosophy - everything is philosophy. There is such a thing as pseudo-intellectualism, though. Telltale signs of this in a person are: Foul language in conjunction with entry-level "collegiate" linguistics, shrewd and acute, yet often fundamentally false observations dismissing disputing subject matter in a tonally sarcastic manner, usually intended to impress another by dressing it up as "old hat" for the Pretending Intellectual, personal attacks, and referring to oneself in the third person. What you should do when you encounter a pseudo-intellectual is exit the conversation as soon as possible. Make final remarks if you must, but if they respond, do not reply. This will feed into their ego, they will feel as though they are actually debating with you, and it will ultimately contribute to the growth of their very deep psychological illness.
Alon98 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow, that's a mighty pretentious paragraph you got there.
I really shouldn't talk to arrogant asshats that think they're above everyone else just because I don't feel like dedicating a wall of text just to blatantly insult you and say you have a mental illness. (Really, you think I have a legitimate mental illness just for disagreeing with you and being sarcastic? What planet are you from? Armchair psychology much?)
This is how I naturally talk, and how I've always talked, it's not me trying to act pretentious like you are right now.
I can't even afford college, honestly. Probably not going to be able to for a few years. Live in the ghetto of Long Beach. Pretty sure you're gonna stomp me for that, and be all "Ha! I was right!" and call me an idiot.

But I digress. There's no ego-stroking going on here on my end. I just don't like it when people act like they're deeply offended by something totally irrelevant, or hardly relevant for that matter. It feels like you were just looking for some way to relate it to the struggle of the 1%, and whine about this artist expressing that they don't take certain jobs.
NionVox Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
On that note, Photoshop is not a fricking magic wand.
xyphid Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
This deserves a poster of it's own.
NionVox Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Maybe i'll look into it, haha. 
Alon98 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey, that's how I feel when people ask me to make drawings of/3D models of their crappy OCs!
SolarMew Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014
*cringe* I take it  you're an expert on crappy OCs... 
Alon98 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
...Well, I don't like them. And I know they're everywhere. I try to avoid them.
diknewman Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I understand if they don't want to hear your input on the design. They did hire you based on your style so your input should be valid. If however they do listen to you and make changes or allow you the freedom to make changes that you see fit to work with their design, then there is no room to complain. If you do  communicate the things you may see that don't work in an articulate way and they don't listen then go on rant I am with you on that.
IceFeather9110 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
this is okay as long as i'm paid, requests, only if it's a best friend or an IOU.
lovebeyondhope Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014
StargazerDesign Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014  Hobbyist Interface Designer
wengaiden Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014
i though was just inverse idea: we are designers, not a fucking developers
(in my case game designer, dont know yours specific design area...)
Lightningborn Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014  Student Interface Designer
I couldn't agree more!
OctoHat Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014  Student Digital Artist
i really love the placement of color here, the contrast is perfect and the viewer's eye gets directy to the
screwdriver :D
neodrac54 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Can I get this on a T-Shirt? Like... Stat?
1DeViLiShDuDe Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nice! :D

Anyone providing a service also has the option of accepting which
projects to do, but I can see how irritating it would be if everyone
that contacted you for work - hadn't really thought out their idea!

LadyNanako Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014
But If You Are Getting Payed For It...It's Kind Of Your Job To Execute Them. That Like That One Animator Chick On Youtube Who Made A Big Show Of Telling Her Boss She Quit Over The Fact She Did Not Get To Draw What She Wanted. It's A Job. You Do What You're Payed For And If You're Not Happy Doing It You Find Something Else To Do. It's Kind Of Entitled To Think You Can Get Payed To Do Whatever You Want When What You Do Comes From People Paying You To Do What THEY Want-Freelance Art And Payed Art Sometimes ARE The Same Thing (If You Create And Sell Them Yourself) But Not Always (Like When Your Job Is Drawing What Your Paycheck Tells You To). Agree Or Disagree All You Want-But It's A Cold Truth. Good Day To You Sir/Madam.
lavi1443 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have to agree.
No one's forcing you to get payed for designing.
Good luck finding people who will decide what theme they are looking for based on your self-satisfaction designs of what "you want to design without anyone telling you what to do".  
LadyNanako Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2014
Glad You Agree. I Mean Don't Get Me Wrong I Know Art Is Not Always Easy But If You Want To Draw Art On Your Own Terms You Sell Peaces On Your Own. If Your Get Payed To Draw On Someone ELSE'S Terms Then That's What You Do And That's What You CHOSE To Do. I May Not Know Everything About This Stuff Since I Can't Draw To Save My Life But Logic Is Logic And You Do What People Pay You To Do If You Intend To Use Any Skill To Make Money.
drtimdawg Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014
Made my day.  Seriously.  Clap 
ZemZorz Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Swimminbird Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes! I agree!
TheOneAndOnlyToaster Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014
i agree tenfold!
Frozen10 Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Amen to that !
K-D-Bryson Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
This should be on a shirt
and ... I now have a new desktop background. :)

M1dnightMuse Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
very entertaining... does it come in white?
alessandro348 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
But how good are you at designing screwdrivers? 
Get this made into a t-shirt already!
DarkProphet05 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Bravo, as a fellow graphic designer I applaud this rant.
C4ArtZ Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Too bad nearly nobody will ever notice how much work Photmanipulation, Animations or any other kind of Art is...
Luthien42 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Except the ones who had tried it at least... ;)
jingzhong8628 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
KittyKatanya Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like rants.
ametuerdraw Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014
Say that to your art director. I don't care if you work at pixar or dreamworks you'll be fired on all occasions. 
Commander-Bentley Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Amen! I don't want someone working on my team who's going to gripe about my "ugly idea," and I'm certainly not going to complain about orders I get when I'm being paid.
motionwind Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
some people seem confused. Clients don't hire designers to execute their ugly ideas. (or should not) That's not their job. They hire designers to help them figure out what is the idea and how to make it work, what they pay is first of all the visual expertise and then the product itself
Commander-Bentley Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Actually it really should be the former. I expect all my clients to have clear, concise ideas of what they want, and most industry professionals I've spoken/worked with (at least in the concept art field) have always preferred that they be told almost explicitly what the client wants, so there's no room for error and they (the designer) don't waste a lot of time guessing at what the client wants. Granted, it's expected of the artist to make suggestions to improve the piece, but ultimately it is the paying customer's final decision.
Runelda Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2014
I laughed so hard I choked on my sucker...
MarcinG1 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Damn, sooo true :).
C0nstantFailure Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
so true. 
Romeryo Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's true. A designer should have his own handwriting and style and should be hired only, if the client can see his project going in a similar direction. If he just wants his idea realized he can simply go to people who do just that, e.g. Frontend Developers in Webprogramming who do nothing but program the site exactly as the designs show.

But I think it's also necessary to communicate accordingly. If the designer says he does everything and takes every job, there's no wonder the client will ask of stuff the designer deems false or inefficient. The better the designer promotes himself and the more specialized he is, the less jobs he might get, but at least the ones he will get are the ones where he can shine.

But a good designer also needs to be a good salesman and be diplomatic, so if we're realistic we know we cannot turn every offer down that won't necessarily go into our portfolio afterwards, and adjust to the type of client we get. Some are cool and easy, and others will be nitpicks and pricks, so it's the designers job to consult the client to his best knowledge and if he won't get heard he simply does what he's asked of, even if the result will suck. Just be sure to setup contracts that cover all the problems, in case the client doesn't like "his" version after all. Time's been spent and time's oughta be paid. 
postplague Featured By Owner Edited Jun 30, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
As someone who's worked in graphic design for a while, it seems incredibly limiting to have a "style". Design in its best form should be problem-solving in conjunction with art. As much as humans have their specialties and preferences--god knows I do--you should be able to take a direction or thought from a client and make that direction or thought beautiful (or at least agreed upon by the relevant parties). If one client owns a french restaurant and wants high-class menus made that articulate their cultural background, you'd do something COMPLETELY different from a client who wants an ad campaign promoting their economical line of cars. Of course you'll add your voice and professional perspective to it, but why not be able to see, understand, and create in the voice of a wide range of styles? How can you possibly be expected to answer the demands of a graphics industry if you have YOUR look and can't do anything for anyone who might not fit that look?

If you were an illustrator or someone more purely an artist in the classical sense, there could be an argument made for style exclusivity, but in my experience that doesn't necessarily get you far in this particular industry. Maybe if you're, say, the hyper-realistic icons guy, and you have one thing you kick everyone else's ass at, but for the vasty majority of people that just isn't feasible.
demran Featured By Owner Edited Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Designers are artist... Yes, they probably have their own style and ideas of beauty, BUT, as an artist ( and not only, everybody should be aware of this), one should know that ugliness is relative and totally subjective. There's no such thing as "ugly idea" just a "different idea"... And if something from that idea is really not suitable, a designer can try to explain that to the clients.
BUT firstly and most important, a designer should know and understand their clients. A designer ( as any artist that does something for a client) should know what their client wants, the client's preferences, ideas and expectations. An artist has to challange their creativity in order to fit into someone's else ideas. Sure, all of this applies when it comes to money and getting paid.
Designers, musicians, painters etc they are all free to express themselves through their art whenever they want. That's the beauty of art! 
But when it comes to working for someone, an artist needs to express what their clients cannot. 
Alloci Featured By Owner Edited Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
My opinion? You should do what the clients want, or you're not getting paid. I am not a professional, but I'm pretty sure the reason they hire you is to execute their ugly ideas, no matter how horrid it is. I suppose you could tweak your rejected ideas a bit, then sell the art to people who would appreciate it.
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